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Post  Dimitrios65 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:06 pm

Hello Smile
Can anyone tell me what the association is between these three Goddesses?
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Erodius on Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:10 pm

Dimitrios65 wrote:Hello Smile
Can anyone tell me what the association is between these three Goddesses?

Initially, the first was associated with wilderness, hunting, and girlhood, the second with the physical moon, and the third with liminal spaces, graves, the nighttime, and the underworld.

However, ever increasingly, from around the Greek Classical period and onward through the Hellenistic and Roman eras, these three were increasingly considered to be either different forms/aspects of the same deity, or even, by Late Antiquity, almost synonymous and interchangeable. Iconography came to represent them identically in many cases.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

"Having come for punishment, one must be punished. One must not pull apart the god within oneself."
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Dimitrios65 on Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:51 pm

I see. And what do you believe, personally, if you don't mind me asking? Do you believe they are all one deity?
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Erodius on Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:26 pm

I believe they represent specific personae/roles of the same basic power.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

"Having come for punishment, one must be punished. One must not pull apart the god within oneself."
-Iamblichus, Vita Pythagorica

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All hear, none aid you, and few understand."
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Dimitrios65 on Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:39 pm

Which is?
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Erodius on Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:39 pm

Which is the sum total of all of these powers . . . I'm not sure I understand the question exactly scratch


Perhaps one might refer to the overarching force of all three the Allotment of the World, Heimarmene (Εἱμαρμένη)

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

"Having come for punishment, one must be punished. One must not pull apart the god within oneself."
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Dimitrios65 on Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:07 pm

Oh! Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I wanted to know what name you would give to that "same basic power".
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Dimitrios65 on Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:37 pm

Since Εἱμαρμένη is one of the Pillars of Destiny, what do we make of the other two Pillars, Μοίρα and Πεπρωμένη? Do they also represent different powers?
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Re: Artemis, Selene and Hecate

Post  Erodius on Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:41 pm

Dimitrios65 wrote:Since Εἱμαρμένη is one of the Pillars of Destiny, what do we make of the other two Pillars, Μοίρα and Πεπρωμένη? Do they also represent different powers?

Various manifestations of the Fate/Apportionment/Destiny, or whatever you wish to call the overarching power that conducts the unfolding of things.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

"Having come for punishment, one must be punished. One must not pull apart the god within oneself."
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