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Sick People Can't Pray?

Post  ChrisWAldridge on Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:06 pm

I recently came across a fellow Hellenist who argued that sick people emit miasma and therefore shouldn't pray to the Gods and should be barred from temples and sanctuaries. I cited the pages in Burkert where he talks about how sick people would be incubated in sanctuaries of Healing Gods and give them offerings for wellness, and shortly after, I was blocked. I don't think that simply being sick makes you unclean and somehow an affront to the Gods. How could the Gods heal if they don't engage the ill? If the Gods aren't with us in our most troublesome times, then when are they with us? I don't see any problem with a sick person praying for healing. What do you guys think?

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Re: Sick People Can't Pray?

Post  Erodius on Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:10 pm

ChrisWAldridge wrote:I recently came across a fellow Hellenist who argued that sick people emit miasma and therefore shouldn't pray to the Gods and should be barred from temples and sanctuaries. I cited the pages in Burkert where he talks about how sick people would be incubated in sanctuaries of Healing Gods and give them offerings for wellness, and shortly after, I was blocked. I don't think that simply being sick makes you unclean and somehow an affront to the Gods. How could the Gods heal if they don't engage the ill? If the Gods aren't with us in our most troublesome times, then when are they with us? I don't see any problem with a sick person praying for healing. What do you guys think?

The answer is, as often, nuanced and instance-specific. In most formal sacrifices, it would have very likely been considered ill-omened for a sick person to participate. It would likely have been that sick people were advised against potentially offending a divine power by entering a sanctuary – however, there are also a handful of deities whose cults would not have had these customary restrictions, and that were frequented by the sick – most particularly Asclepius and Telesphorus, as well as Apollo, and often Diana, all of whom preside over matters of sickness and recovery.

Likewise, just because one ought not to enter a sanctuary while ill would not have meant one could not pray for recovery – an ill person may have dedicated a votive plaque or token in a sanctuary upon recovery. We know this happened in abundance, from the archaeological record.

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