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Greco-Roman "Mantras?"

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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:59 pm

Are there "mantras" in this tradition? I have been reciting Sanskrit mantras, but I am looking for something more traditional to Greco-Roman worship.
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Post  Erodius Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:19 pm

In many Mystery religions, nearly all deities had special symbolic sounds, mystic names and phrases that would be sung in their worship.

However, some deities had special non-semantic vocalizations/names/phrases that would be widely used, even in more public worship.

Apollo and Bacchus both featured such 'mantras' commonly in their worship, there are also the "Ephesian Letters" of Diana, and, though lost, the songs of the Salian priests.
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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:04 am

My question is where can I find these? Particularly the ones for Bacchus and Apollo.
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Post  Erodius Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:58 am

Oh, I apologize – slipped my mind to include the very thing I was discussing!

 

Bacchus’ popular vocalizations were εὐοί – εὐάν; Apollo would be praised with ἰὴ Παιάν.
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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:16 am

Awesome! Thank you. How do you pronounce the Apollo one. I am not too familiar with Greek since I am a Roman. Laughing
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Post  Erodius Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:12 pm

Παιάν or Παιών are traditional names for Apollo, meaning 'deliverer', 'savior' or 'healer' – pronounced pay-AHN or pay-OHN. 


The Apollinian cry ἰή (written variously as ἰή, ἰέ, or ἰαί) is pronounced ee-YEEH or ee-EH, depending on form and vocalization. 




The Bacchanal εὐοί-εὐάν or εὐοί-εὐαί are pronounced ew-IH–ew-AN or ev-EE–ev-AN or ew-IH ew-AY/ev-IH ev-AY. 
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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:34 pm

Thank you. And another question. Where did you find these?
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Post  Erodius Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:45 am

Both appear fairly abundantly in classical literature - especially hymns, poetry and drama.
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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:25 am

I have another question. Are there any connections with Godnames in the grimoire tradition and the "mantras" in Greco-Roman religion?
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Post  Erodius Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:10 am

I haven't any idea what either of those things are … scratch
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Post  TheSeekingDisciple Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:20 am

Godnames are like the mantras you had mentioned. They are primarily in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. Some names: salvator, heiritos, vitulus, Domine Deus, Sanctus Deus, lux, vox, pax, virtus, salus etc. A lot of these are found in grimoires which are books on magic and mysticism.
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Post  Erodius Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:44 am

There is little direct connection, then; some similarity in function. 

The nomina sacra/ἱερά ὀνόματα and/or nomina mystica/μυστικά ὀνόματα are different from epithets/titles, as the 'godnames' you describe would be considered, in that they do not, typically, have any linguistic meaning
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