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Post  Batman812 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:26 am

Was going around google and I found this website that's 3w.hellenion.org

Does anyone know if this site is legit? I am new here and looking to join and came across those guys, but I am not sure if they are scam or if they are doing the correct way of worshipping.
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Post  Erodius on Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:43 am

They're a very old site and group – however, that does not inherently make them respectable.

They are an almost purely American group, without any real ties to the living tradition in Greece. Their discussion groups are full of all kinds of nonsense, however, it should be recalled that their online discussion group is public and does not actually require membership in the organization. Actual paid members are very few, and a large number of their realtime groups and study groups are defunct.

According to my teacher, their main leadership is openly agnostic, and consequently, there is a tendency for them to be a little too heavily 'historical reenactor-y' rather than religiously and spiritually genuine and serious.

My advice would be to not to take them too seriously. There are some good things from them, and also plenty of nonsense, especially on their public Yahoo board – from which I would advise you to keep a distance, especially as a newcomer to the religion who is just learning the ropes.

Take your time first to study and learn from good sources. I assure your there are several great resources here, both people and texts, all of which are available to you free.

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Post  Batman812 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:58 am

Thanx very much for the information, I will stay clear Smile The only reason why I asked is because they have the section on their website on how to worship by yourself showing what thing to use to what gods and stuff like that. Thanx again Smile
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Post  Erodius on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:27 am

You don't need to avoid it like the plague – just don't be too trusting of what they say, especially when you are new to things.

When you say, "what thing to use for what god" what do you mean by that? Perhaps you could clarify and get some answers here.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

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Post  Batman812 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:39 am

When you click on their "Worship" tab and then the Ritual and Practise section, they show individual devotions one can perform. The daily devotions shows a routine to follow in the morning and evening praying to a certain god depending on the month and stuff. At the bottom it shows the Incense one should use for the certain god. I like this because it seems simple and also mainly because I live with the family who would not approve of this, so it seems I MIGHT be able to pull this off but yea. At the end of the day bro, I just don't want to get into the wrong branch of this religion if you get what I mean. I am really considering this religion. I am allowed to PM, if you don't mind. I would like to discuss some things in private Smile
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Post  Erodius on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:45 pm

When you click on their "Worship" tab and then the Ritual and Practise section, they show individual devotions one can perform. The daily devotions shows a routine to follow in the morning and evening praying to a certain god depending on the month and stuff. At the bottom it shows the Incense one should use for the certain god. I like this because it seems simple and also mainly because I live with the family who would not approve of this, so it seems I MIGHT be able to pull this off but yea.

Hah, yes, I'm aware. But if you are, perhaps, not aware, those are simply modern rituals that someone put together based, to varying degrees, on the traditional framework and tailored to their (often reenactor-y) purposes. What you find there are hardly anything like a formally mandated or universal ceremony.

The actual rules of private devotions are not complex or many, and with a few exceptions, there is no specific requirement of what you need to say, or to which deities you offer worship.

The incense usage that they include is simply borrowed from the liturgical practices of the Orphic religion, a particular religious movement that arose within the broader sphere of Graeco-Roman religion in Antiquity.

At the end of the day bro, I just don't want to get into the wrong branch of this religion if you get what I mean. I am really considering this religion. I am allowed to PM, if you don't mind. I would like to discuss some things in private

I understand completely – that is an excellent cautionary mindset.

Of course you can PM me – you do not need permission to do that, haha.  Wink

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

"Having come for punishment, one must be punished. One must not pull apart the god within oneself."
-Iamblichus, Vita Pythagorica

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