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Post  spokane89 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:12 pm

I am currently learning the skill of flint-knapping; that is, the skill of recreating stone-age tools using stone-age methods. As I was practicing the other day I though to myself, "To which God/Goddess would I make offerings to in the regard?" My initial inclination said Hêphaistos Klytomêtis as it is a crafting skill, but I am working with materials found purely in nature so the Theoi of nature and the such should also be honored as I work.

While contemplating this I also pondered, how do craftsmen or artists honor the Gods for their work? Beyond regular offerings that we as believers make daily that is. Where there special tradtions for the working class stiffs?
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Post  Erodius on Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:37 pm

For craftsmen and other similar professions, there would be a special devotion to the cult of Hephaistos-Vulcanus, and likewise that of Athene-Minerva Ergane, whose domain is especially that of manufacturing in its various forms.

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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  Callisto on Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:41 pm

Coincidentally, I've been reading about such practices among craftspersons in industrial type crafts. "Craft divinities" included Hephaistos, Prometheus, Athena Ergane, Daedalus and various daimones. In addition to making offerings to the deities, craftsmen would also make use of apotropaic (averting) objects against miasma.

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Post  Erodius on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:00 pm

Apotropaic objects are what we might call 'luck charms' – essentially, they're anything meant to avert the proverbial 'evil eye'.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

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Post  Callisto on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:50 pm

Yes, I know that. However the material is discussing the use of various objects in regards to the craftworkers' concern of ill will and miasma.

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Post  Erodius on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:12 pm

Hm, it seems like a message is missing.


Spokane had asked what an apotropaic object was. Question

I've had issues with that myself. On a few occasions I have had to resubmit the same message two or three times for it to take. I've also, strangely, had it happen that my post shows up under someone else's name, even though it shows me to be logged in as myself and I do not have the ability to even log in as anyone else anyway.

Cue Twilight-Zone theme music.

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  Callisto on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:48 pm

There must be some kind of bug. I noticed a post of mine didn't show up last week, but thought perhaps I'd hit "preview" instead of "send" and had lost it.

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Post  Erodius on Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:31 pm

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I thought I was just being inept :-S

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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  spokane89 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:11 pm

Hm yes that is quite strange, I did post from a different computer, perhaps that was part of the issue? Question
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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  J_Agathokles on Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:30 am

spokane89 wrote:My initial inclination said Hêphaistos Klytomêtis as it is a crafting skill, but I am working with materials found purely in nature so the Theoi of nature and the such should also be honored as I work.

Metals are purely natural as well.

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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  Erodius on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:26 am

All gods are natural; they cannot be unnatural

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-Iulianic Hymn to Apollon-Helios, ll. 65-106

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Re: A mildly interesting inquiry

Post  spokane89 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:19 am

Haha yes good points, there really is no such thing as "unnatural" when we great right down to it.
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